We see our role in supporting indies, she said.

In effect, too many diverse shows are being created by people from traditional backgrounds.

This has been one of our biggest insights and learnings, added Schibli.

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Our real focus now is aligning strong on-air portrayal with senior production roles.

We need to think about it in a way that doesnt silo out different characteristics, looking at intersectionality.

James said its a culture, so the question becomes, How do you measure a culture?.

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