What they say, what they believe, how they interact, how they present themselves to the voter.

Have a listen above.

I looked at it as foundational.

ElectionLine Podcast with Dana Bash

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What do you support?

And the big way around it was intimidation, disenfranchisement, violence and downright murder, she adds.

Where the country ends up could have a lot to do with the Harris and Trump debate in Philadelphia.

2024 presidential debate schedule

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Trumps griping is not necessarily a sign that he is ready to back out of the event.