He added that its important streamers and networks give a certain amount of freedom to these creators.

I think thats really important, he said.

Those are the [shows] that people have to take chances on.

UTA’s Dan Erlij and Allan Haldeman

(L-R) UTA’s Dan Erlij and Allan HaldemanRoger Kisby / UTA

Those are the things that we want to push out in the world.

Were having more success in the marketplace right now.

Theres a lack of supply.

UTA CEO Jeremy Zimmer

‘Baby Reindeer’Ed Miller/Netflix

Haldeman isnt worried about a lack of appetite for limited series likeBaby Reindeeras buyers increasingly search for returnable projects.

Haldeman called it new realities being created.

Erlij believes streaming payment models will change and they have to.

Its our responsibility, its our drumbeat to say this is what has to happen, he added.

But I think the main point is its about the artists of the middle of the format.

People want to work on something thats great.

There are great broadcast shows now.

Its really exciting thatHackswon.

I believe there is a hunger out there for it.

Haldeman says that one of the things hes most proud of is the resilience of his clients.